Category: Health and Wellness
I should know better than to risk posting this but hell I never learn...smile
I have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder due to a violent attack 15 yrs ago...I suffer flashbacks, abject, fear and irrational thought and insomnia ect...Do you think of me as a psycho or just someone who's ill through no fault of his own.
In our supposedly enlightened 21st century, the mentally ill are still referred to as psycho, nuts, ohh he's crazy,a few cans short or off his head ect...These derogatory insults have lasted for over a century,they are nothing more than a shameful ignorant view of something that people fear beyond reason...I have become ill in Failte in front of 2 "friends" who had known me for 6 years they left in a hurry never to return....I'm just asking you to think next time you use the word psycho ect the next time it could be directed at you by a Doctor!.
Awww, that's so sad! I don't think of anyone who has a mental disability or illness as "Psycho." The only people who I really think of when I hear that term are like murderers, and child molesters, and people like that, but only those who don't have any real mental illnesses or dissabilities. I don't get how anyone can assume that just because you suffer from post tramatic stress disorder, that you're crazy. People need to realize that just because people are different, doesn't mean that they're not still people. You are right. People often fear what they do not understand. If anyone ever calls you crazy or psycho, especially a doctor, then they're just ignorant jerks.
Awww, that's so sad! I don't think of anyone who has a mental disability or illness as "Psycho." The only people who I really think of when I hear that term are like murderers, and child molesters, and people like that, but only those who don't have any real mental illnesses or dissabilities. I don't get how anyone can assume that just because you suffer from post tramatic stress disorder, that you're crazy. People need to realize that just because people are different, doesn't mean that they're not still people. You are right. People often fear what they do not understand. If anyone ever calls you crazy or psycho, especially a doctor, then they're just ignorant jerks.
Awww, that's so sad! I don't think of anyone who has a mental disability or illness as "Psycho." The only people who I really think of when I hear that term are like murderers, and child molesters, and people like that, but only those who don't have any real mental illnesses or dissabilities. I don't get how anyone can assume that just because you suffer from post tramatic stress disorder, that you're crazy. People need to realize that just because people are different, doesn't mean that they're not still people. You are right. People often fear what they do not understand. If anyone ever calls you crazy or psycho, especially a doctor, then they're just ignorant jerks.
But you see these people are also seriously ill..A killer maybe psychotic and/or schizophrenic, so by using these words to define them, you are perpetuating the cycle of abuse towards others, who may sufer from depression or,anxiety disorders...to some I am crazy ect, they are unable to differentiate between the degree of mental disturbance, they lump all the mentally ill into one pile and as far as they are concrened we'er all nutters..
Well, I dated a girl for almost 2 years who was suffering from childhood abuse, had panic attacks etc. She said it scared many people away, I didn't thik there was anything wrong with it, it made me mad how someone could have treated her like they did and I learnt to help her come out of a panic attack and what to do to make her feel confortable and I'd never use the word psycho for her and what she was going through. If she had picked up a gun and shot her class mates however, yes, I wouldn't hesitate to use the word as I see it is perfectly fitting.
How can you use the word for someone like Jeff Weesz its hypocrisy are you qualified to do so no so please refriain from being so judgemental...
what if this girl had attacked her classmates with a gun due to her childhood, how quickly would your compassionate perception have changed...people suffer, they become disturbed,and in some instances they kill its all relevant and your glaring double standard is exactly what I was hoping to highlight here...
This is not a double standard. Ha she chosen to go after the people who harmed her, yes, there would be understanding and it could be, well, not forgiven but put in context, but you know, people know the difference between right and wrong, killing innocent peole that have nothing to do with your problems cannot be forgiven and blamed on a problematic past. That's not double standards, it's a very clear standard, your suffering does not entitlee you to make others suffer. And as for double standards .. well, you claim being fat is a sign of weakness and greed but killing is a the result of a traumatic child behavior or something inherited, there is virtually no difference in the causes I think just in the reactions to them. People are free to do whatever they want with their body and so becoming fat, if they so choose, is, in fact, their right, harming other people is not their right and can never be.
And what exactly ar we suggesting here anyways? People who kill others like that, well, they committed a crime, may be their sentence can be a little more lenient because of their mental circumstances, sure I'll grant you that but ultimatelythey are a danger to society and should be locked up until we judge that danger has passed, at the same time while we keep them separated from the res of us, yes, we should do everything we can to help them overcome their problems and enable them to get another chance at joining society again, but if you are suggesting we let them go free after they killed innocent people that's just simply madness, in that case we can abolish the entire justice system altogether.
My definition of the word psycho, as I use it, is very simple. It's a person who severely harms another human being purposely as a result of a preplanned action. Whatever their reasons are for doing so is not my problem.
Do I feel sorry for them, sure sometimes .. I wouldn't want anyone to have to go through pain and trauma and suffering, if I could prevent anyone from going through that I would, but do I think their actions are in any way justified by their experiences, quite frankly I don't.
Hmm. I do think that insults like that are not rite but sometimes they are psycho if they've murdered or raped someone. Like just the other day a skitzophrenic man through his five-year-old daughter over a bridge onto a freeway then jumped to his own death. Now thankfully the little girl lived. People who kill or commit other sick crimes like that are not all "mentally ill". theier just people who probably had hard lives and weren't taught rite from wrong. Or perhaps they just don't have contiouses. The people who are mentally ill and deny that there's anything wrong with them should be completely responsible for commiting a crime like that. With the help of medication and theropy and support from family and friends I'm sure they can fight the illness. My mom is paranoyed skitzophrenic and she's has epesodes where she was violent and abusive to me, my brother and people she worked with. After we noticed she was changing my family got help for her and she's doing better. Not all people who have disorders are derranged. And there's nothing to be afraid of if the person who's sick can control themselves. I myself have clinical depression and it was hard being told I was crazy for wanting to dye. I have friends who have ADHD or bipolar disorder. Sometimes things slip for them but they can live normal lives and we are all able to joke about it later. You have to know how to balance the seriousness and the humorous traits of mental illnesses. I think that depending on someone's mental health they still should be charged as if they weren't ill. If it's something like rape or murder that they commit they should be imprisoned and get treatment they would have got if they weren't in denial or didn't have anyone to help them. But still, they don't have any rite to do something like that, like try to kill theirown child or whatever.
And no, Dobbin your not psycho. It's not your fault you had to go through that. I'm sure if the people who told you that had something like that happen to them they'd no what your going through. I was abused when I was younger, like from 7 to 11 years old. I'm 13 now and I still have flashbacks sometimes of the violent things that happened to me and people I was close to. I have people to support me, and I recently came out of treatment for depression, family problems and behavior problems and some other shit. Some people said things that hurt, but most people, the people who are my true friends stuck by me and still do. I'm able to move on and I'm ok with talking about things.
oWildebrew aren't you unashamedly self righteous, so much so, that you are unable to see the transparency of your repeated argument....no we are not discussing murderers and their responsibility diminished or otherwise.
..we ARE discussing the public's derogatory attitudes towards the mentally ill, and I see here that yet another ignoramus has used the word psycho, I see I'm wasting my time here as the selective deafness in clearly profound...
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Dobbin? no my name is Goblin or Alex..thankyou and I was partly to blame,but I will agree rehabilitation is hell and I wouldn't wish abuse on anyone,but would you honestly feel comfortable if someone referred to you as a psycho, after all, the word is short for psychopath..
Goblin, well, you chose not to expand on my discussion which I think poses the real questions. Give us your definition of the word psycho and when, if ever, it should be used.
Then we can have a starting point or point of view to discuss.
And would you care to point out the transparency to my own argument, you do little to rebuff or ellaborate on it in any way actually and unless you deal with the points brought up in it and your only response is personal criticism without any backing arguments I really don't see any point in this discussion in the first place whereas if it was actually someting we could talk about and express different views on it could be a bit of a learning experience.
And why could "psycho" not stand for "psychologically disturbed" the f word has changed its meaning drastically in the last 10 years, so much so that it is used as the majority of words in a single sentenceoften .. words and meanings of words change over time so I think how offensive it is is largely based on the way you interpret it. And in your posts you've repeatedly used teragetory words about people and used the f word quite freely so getting sensitive about this is, well, again, a bit of a double standard if you ask me. Just because you've gone through something personally and understand it does not give you the right to criticize everything you have not gone through but protect what you have gone through (again I know I am bringing up the fat and the stupid and pathetic Americans vs the mentally disturbed), isn't alcoholism, over eating, smoking, extreme religion/fundamentalism etc etc all expression of an underlying problem of dissatisfaction and insecurity and weakness? I would tend to think so actually personally.
Anyways, I'm off for the weekend, hope this can be turned into somewhat of a more factual discussion. Lostiglr, wow, you've been through a lot, that's so wful and it's so amazing you are dealing with it, no one should ever have to go through something like this, ever, and it would be such an amazing world if we were all lucky enough to grow up without abuse but, best of luck to ya. :)
cheers and happy Easter
-B
Even supposed professionals still fit people to presupposed labels and stereotypes, instead of dealing with them as individuals. If you need proof, read the article, "On Being Sane in Insane Places"; it's quite scary! In the article, as part of a study, pseudopatients gained admission to psychiatric facilities, and even when they no longer displayed the one symptom (hearing voices) that they complained of, they were still treated as though they were very ill. Even mundane behaviors were treated as though they were signs of a major disorder. As for people who act out violently, if they are acting irrationally, then they are severely ill and need treatment. To me, committing irrational acts with no thought of morality is a kind of illness in itself that has root causes, both biological and environmental. I was listening to Opie and Anthony on XM the other day. They rarely say anything profound; they're a goof for the most part. However, they were discussing criminal behavior, and they were talking about how some crime rates decline when the economy and quality of life is up. They said to think how people you meet every day might have been criminals in other circumstances. As for the use of the word "psycho", I'd like to know how Goblin defines it as well.
i would say that everyone will faced mantal illness. but not everyone need psycho. and not everyone can consider psycho when they are mantally illness.
thankyou season..
And yet again we get no answers or facts or definitions, just ranting and name calling, but I wouldn't expect anything more.
1800, it's actually a very interesting point. Of course anyone who hurts himself or herself or other people has a problem of some sort, after all, well, being normal is being average right and doing negative things to yourself or others, well, why would anyone in their right mind really want to do that, especially things like murder or abuse.
I can better understand things such as theft or burglery etc as they have more clear financial incentives.
And then the problem remains that, well, we're still in the early stages of understanding the human mind, it's infinitely more complicated than we can even grasp right now, millions upon millions of nerve cells and junctions and chemicals that cause different reactions in different parts of the brain. We're only beginning to be able to understand approximately what part of the brain is responsible for what functiions. Thus we can ignore or over react to symptoms since we're essentially dealing with things we don't understand yet. We've made progress but I have a hard time believing we'll get there any time soon, are the cuases social or do they have to do with chemical deficiencies in the brain, is the cure psychological therapy (I wouldn't dare to utter the word psycho, at least not until it's been defined by the leading authority) or do we treat it with drugs or a combination of the two.
I think psychiatrists are often simply doing guess work and may sometimes not even be of much help if they don't understand the root cuase of the problem. And can any therpay erase the memories of pain or the lack of love growing up or bizarre urges .. I can't say,. If there was e.g. a test that could detect these tendecneis erly on that would be nice but do we make those tests mandatory, how can we try to help those people who don't seek help and at the same time protect the would-be victims, there's really no easy answer to this question. I think our understanding of mental disorders has come a long way since the 60s e.g. and Ithink we understand them a little better now and they are a little more socially acceptible. The valid point goblin mae is there's still prejudice against those disorders in the community but so are other types of prejudice as he vehemently has pointed out here, agaist obease people who, for some reason, are pathetic .. reasons yet to be explained, racial bias etc .. but the more we will understand these things the better our reactions to them will be and the more signs we can pick up hopefully.
cheers
-B
I have read all the posts and i am not sure what to think. I am writing a paper on stigmatism and I feel that some of you are a bit harsh regarding persons with mental illness. I too have been diagnosed with a mental disorder (bipolar) and I have had my fair share of problems facing people with this diagnosis. I however want to prove to people that mental illness isn't always a crime and that people who suffer only ask for support not dirission from others who don't have the faintest idea of what they are going through. It took me years to convince the people in my family that I needed help and when I finally did I began to realize just how hard it is for people to live normal lives under these circumstances. Care to reply?
i used to work along side mentally challenged people and let me tell you it was not easy. but would i call them crazy or psycho? no. i just felt sympathy for them.